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Need help with a AF Range Reg Please!
03/09/10 at 22:04:22
 
Hey guys,

One of the NCOIC of our shooting team is also one of the trainers for the AFA SF. He suggested a small three gun match between the cadets and the SF guys. I think its a great idea, and we have plenty of space on both the rifle and the pistol range, and lots of RCO, so each shooter would have plenty of supervision as we shot the stage(s). BUT...

I need to know if there is a specific AF/CATM regulation that allows 3 gun type competitions, specifically we'd need to address the issue of movement with a weapon (obviously, the competitor would be forward of the firing line as well). If you have any suggestions on how to keep us from doing something that might technically be against regs, or how to use them to our advantage, that would be helpful too.

I realize that this is a sort of broad sweeping question, but any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks guys! Grin
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Re: Need help with a AF Range Reg Please!
Reply #1 - 03/10/10 at 11:43:17
 
Being an ORF from '03, I'm not really up on current regs, uh, er, AFI's Roll Eyes, however the basic safety rules of running a range haven't changed I'm sure.

First though, do you have a baffled range?  If so, there is NO fireing forward of the firering line, at all ever.  You really need an open bay type range and have a coach moving with the shooter.  An impact range would be best, though they are far and few between.

As I recall, there was a note in the regs about firing only one weapon type at a time.  So you'll need to break up the stages.  You can't have rifle being fired at the same time you're shooting shotgun or pistol.  I know, it takes a lot of the fun out of it.

Now, one work around we'd discovered when I was in the COANG, was that we'd go to our local bombing range, and working with the range maintainers, we'd set up a wide open impact range.  We still ran a coach with each shooter and we kept everyone on line, but it did allow us to run multi-gun exercises to transition between rifle and pistol.  Great training for cops who carry both.

If you are working with a baffled range, I've run multiple targets at different ranges within the same lane before, though to do this you have to have one shooter per 2 lanes and it helps to have the shooter move laterally to keep their shots square to the back stop.  You can also run one shooter at a time with multiple targets at different ranges spread laterally down the range.

Review your range's design, BOI's, and check in with Base Safety.  If you want to make use of gray area's in the regs, make sure you have the buy in of your commander and base safety.  CYA Bro.
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Re: Need help with a AF Range Reg Please!
Reply #2 - 03/11/10 at 13:29:27
 
Have not seen anything specifically relating to 3 gun matches.

However, AFI 36-2226 has some points to consider

Review Section 2.4 on range safety, you may need to create a seperate ORM Range safety checklist prior to 3 gun matches to document you are aware of other hazzards present due to movement or whatever. You will have to update your range safety plan to reflect additional hazards and the steps you take to mitigate them.

I would also consider qualifying the shooters on all three weapons AFSC course if you can justify the ammo see 36-226 paras 5.7, 5.8 , if not at least give them a mechanical (and document it prior to firing)

Also what are you guys doing there for SF sustainment training? Could you incorporate your three gun matches with the 5-7 month sustainment training covered in para 5.18 for the SF guys? If so, then having the cadets there could be called initial firearms live fire training.

Look here:
"5.19. Firearms Competitions/Courses: Commanders may approve Air Force personnel to use duty weapons and approved munitions to participate in military and civilian shooting competitions and courses. AFCAT 21-209, Volume 1, provides allowances for matches conducted as outlined in AFI 34-227, Excellence-In-Competition, and other competitions between security forces units and local law enforcement agencies."

Get your CC on board and document it and you should be OK

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Re: Need help with a AF Range Reg Please!
Reply #3 - 04/02/10 at 04:42:38
 
the whole one weapon at a time thing is gone.  in fact transition drills are rapidly becoming the norm for sustainment training.
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